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I think we have overlooked one important energy source, the production of burnable gas from bio-waist products. By burning gas, light and heat can be produced. If light is needed then gas lantern technology (use of mantels) can be used to make the light more efficient. If heat or no-heat is needed then gas stoves and refrigerators are readily available. I think our use after pole shift would mostly be for heating water, air (space heaters), and cooking. We would probably use electricity for lights. One interesting potential use would be to compress it into bottles and run existing gas powered vehicles that currently run off propane-butane now. What is missing is how to efficiently produce gas on a continuing basis from human waist, wood, vegetation, and other biodegradable waist products. We need to find a way to make methane and other burnable gas from what we have available. Keep your eyes open for efficient gas producing bacteria, mold, yeast or other ways. We could also use the solid by-product of this process to produce nutrients for hydroponic growing.

Offered by Mike.

Methane gas is an optional source of energy. It can drive engines and is flameable. If livestock is going to be present than, like in the settlement in the Mad Max III film where pigs produced the dung for methane, the dung makes for a source of methane gas. The number of topics, as in the energy area, reflect that a few tt-members would be able to imagine a system where methane gas provides many services. I request those who know of it's properties to look at the possibilities and expand on this if possible. We should not leave this option untouched.

Offered by Michel.

Methane is no more dangerous than natural gas or propane and burns hotter, thus requiring less gas.

Offered by Ron.