Press Conference

The following IRC session was taken by Keith B. Morgan of ABC news, for the benefit of Hoagland fans who were listening on the #Art_Bell channel.

Session Start: Thu Mar 21 06:10:01 1996

[6:15] Richard Hoagland is at the podium and has invited the press to come up and view the giant photos and murals of the lunar landscape that has been made.
[6:16] Richard Hoagland is explaining to the press about the initiation of the investigation of the Viking images, which begain his journey.
[6:17] RCH (Richard Hoagland) is discussing the high sun angle of the Face on Mars.
[6:18] Mars is still being discussed. Wait.
[6:19] The geometric placement of the city at cydonia on Mars is being described with the concomitant geometrical constant relationships.
[6:19] The message of the mathematical layout of the artifacts on Mars is being described.
[6:20] We have a full try of slides of the data from Mars that must be given as a segue to the lunar data.
[6:21] RCH is explaining that the artifacts on Mars were layed out in a geometrical symmetry as a language to anyone who happened to find them in the future.
[6:22] RCH is discussing the significance of the 19.5 latitude and its relationship to hyperdimensional physics.
[6:23] RCH is discussing the great dark spot on Neptune and how he and his colleagues predicted that Voyager would see this based on the great spots
[6:24] on Jupiter at 19.5, sunspots at 19.5,Uranus's great spot at 19.5.
[6:24] RCH is explaining how the lunar project is an extension of the Mars data.
[6:26] RCH is explaining that the mathematics at Giza is the same math that is found at the cydonia region of Mar.
[6:27] Is the tetrahedral mathematics apparent on the lunar plane--yes.
[6:27] RCH is now introducing Marving Czarnik - our retired aerospace engineer.
[6:28] Mr. Czarnik is at the podium.
[6:28] He was formerly with Grumman.
[6:29] Mr. Czarnik has formed a group independent of Hoagland's group looking into the anomalies on the Moon.
[6:29] He is concerned about the value of the monies spent since the founding of the NASA.
[6:30] He is concerned about how more money is spent to preserve entertainment motion pictures than is spent on preserving the lunar photos at NSSDC.
[6:31] Mr. Czarnik is concerned about how he could have participated in sending men to the moon without knowing what is on the moon.
[6:32] Mr. Czarnik claims he has accepted Hoagland's challenge to verify his finding.
[6:32] He has reviewed Hoagland's work by ordering the same prints and negatives from the NSSDC.
[6:33] Washington University has been one of the archives that he has ordered from.
[6:33] He has focused on the Shard, the Crystal Palace and other objects, but they believed that the Shard is the most interesting
[6:34] because it does not have to be enhanced.
[6:34] Czarnik is now presenting a slide show.
[6:34] His first image is the distance shot of the Shard.
[6:34] It is protroduing above the surface of the Moon.
[6:35] His findingshave revealed that the Shadow underneath the Shard is not a shadow at all but an object.
[6:36] He has multiple images from NASA of this image.
[6:36] He has correlated some of the comments that the astronauts have made in describing the lunar surface.
[6:37] And has had lengthy conversations with Mr. Shabaz the chief trainer of the astronauts.
[6:37] Czarnik is now discussing the Brookings report.
[6:38] Hoagland is back at the podium.
[6:39] RCH is describing the Shard as having been photographied from 250 miles away.
[6:39] RCH is about to introduce the next speaker.
[6:40] He has on screen the triangular shadow of the crater Ukert.
[6:41] There are technical difficulties, please wait.
[6:42] RCH is at podium and speaking.
[6:43] The next speaker is Ken Johnston, formerly with NASA, currently with Boeing.
[6:44] Mr. Johnston is at the podium.
[6:44] He is giving his background.
[6:44] In 1966, he left the Marines and was a consultant and test pilot with Grumman.
[6:45] He amassed 3,000 hours as a spacepilot himself.
[6:45] He was the test command pilot, at the JohnsonSpace Center.
[6:48] Mr. Johnston describing photos that he saw while he was in charge of the photo archive at the Johnson Space Centre.
[6:50] He is describing a viewing of the one of the films taken by the astronauts on Apollo footage with plumage that was removed from this film within 24 hours--mysteriously.
[6:50] He was at Johnston through all the missions.
[6:52] This is not working, I am signing off shortly.
[6:54] Johnston is showing letters verifying that he gave Hoagland the photos of Apollo 14 that he has here at the conference.
[6:55] The next speaker is Ron Nicks a geologist (formerly with Battelle Institute).
[6:58] As prelude to Mr. Nicks, Hoagland is discussing an Earth-based photo of the Moon.
[6:58] In the center of the Moon, there is a l6 mile diametre crater with an equilateral triangle, which links Mars to the Moon.
[6:58] The Shard is being discussed again at an important frame from Lunar Orbiter 4.
[6:58] Behind the Shard is what is called the Cube, it is over seven miles high.
[6:59] Seven miles sounds outrageous by terrestrial standards, however in the l930s mile high Earth constructed buildings were being discussed as being possible.
[7:00] Surveyor 6 photo of the "brilliant beads" is being described for the press.
[7:00] Photo enhancing reveals geometric structure in the solar light being cast with the sun being l hours below the horizon.
[7:01] With the sun below the horizon, there should be no patterns visible in the corona.
[7:02] Apollo frame 4822 is being shown.
[7:02] Hoagland is discussing the haze around the landscape as not being an artifact of the processing.
[7:03] pause.
[7:10] Why is the material so reflective and diverse. How can you account for the hazing.
[7:10] pause
[7:11] Why after so many years and so much money, why are there no answers to the persistent claims of anomalies. As a geologist,
[7:12] he can not come up with a geometric model for these objects.
[7:12] Clear to the horizon where the detail is, the sky should be clear, but it is hazy.
[7:14] Mr. Nicks is excited about the possibility of these objects being artificial and is calling for more work to be done with a review of the old NASA data bases with 1990s technology (with scanners and photo optic software).
[7:15] Hoagland is describing Cernan and Stafford's Apollo photos taken with the Hassleblad photos of frame AS10-32- 4822.
[7:16] The frame 4822 is blanked out in the NASA catalogs, which encouraged Hoagland and his associates to order this frame.
[7:17] Near Manileus there is a retilinear feature hanging 9 miles above the surface of the Moon which is being shown to the press.
[7:18] A large fragment of glass Hoagland calls the Castle.
[7:19] Hoagland is showing the frame and how the sun is coming up on the right, but the photo is very dark where the Sun is, which is highly improbable without something blocking the view.
[7:20] Alex Cook, a student and amateur astronomer is one of the MarsMission associates who ordered the 4822 frame from NASA's blacked out catalog.
[7:20] He ordered 4822 from NSSDC at Goddard.
[7:21] He received a negative from NSSDC and took it to the lab at his college to process.
[7:22] He is giving the frame numbers from apollo 1.
[7:22] correction apollo 10
[7:23] He found that on order 4822 several times that he received more than one version of it.
[7:23] He subsequently found a confirming photo of the Castle on AS10-32-4822.
[7:24] This print was taken a second or two after the first frame analyzed by Hoagland.
[7:24] He discovered that there are 10 different versions of 4822 in NASA's catalog.
[7:25] Hoagland is now describing the city Square on 4822.
[7:25] He is now showing the press what is called the "crystal palace", just above the Square.
[7:27] Hoagland is digressing to discuss the strange case of the 10 separate versions of AS10-32-4822. NASA seems to be underreporting in its catalog the number and designations of its images.
[7:29] There are vast fields of reflective material which is catching sunlight as the command module is flying by and the astronauts are photographing the landscape.
[7:30] The crystal palace is a sun-glint over a mile wide. What geological model do we have for this if it is purely natural?
[7:30] Hoagland is showing the press how the shadows on 4822, which should be pitch black, are in fact light grey.
[7:31] What is the geological model of light grey shadowing without atmosphere to scatter light?
[7:32] Hoagland is describing some of the cabelling on the surface of the Moon.
[7:33] For those who think it is a scratch, how do three scratches make the same curve and know where it is on the surface.
[7:33] Hoagland is showing the hazing on 4822 when the contrast is simply turned up.
[7:34] Hoagland is showing the difference between an objected and a scratch.
[7:35] When the structures are enhanced, geometric markings, layerings and cells show up (way above the pixel level).
[7:35] Hoagland is showing the top of the Castle with cabelling aligned at the top of the object.
[7:37] Hoagland is showing the top of the enhanced version of the Castle, showing the layering and cellular structure inside the Castle.
[7:37] This frame was given to Hoagland by someone inside NASA.
[7:38] When Hoagland took the leaked photo to NSSDC, he was told that the image original had disappeared from the NSSDC library.
[7:39] Brian Moore, Ph.D., lunar construction techniques, Moore space, Inc., is at the podium.
[7:39] Dr. Moore worked at Kennedy Space Center for two years.
[7:40] Dr. Moore is giving his background, both educational and professional.
[7:40] Dr. Moore has also examined some of the prints that Hoagland has been looking at for verification.
[7:42] Moore verifies that he has seen the same geometric patterns show up on these frames.
[7:42] He is here to encourage further research of the old NASA databases.
[7:43] He does not have the geologic backround to verify or disproove, but verifies that he has seen all of the images and there are anomalies on the photos that beg to be explained.
[7:44] Robert Fiertek, architect, Fiertek Design is at the podium.
[7:44] Fiertek's interest spans 9 years in the anomalies of both the Moon and Mars.
[7:45] He began with Mars.
[7:46] He is showing the press the catenary shapes visibile in 4822.
[7:48] Fiertek is explaining how the special formulation of film used for photographing the lunar landscape.
[7:48] For a grey landscape with a black sky only black and white should be necessary.
[7:49] The Astronauts on the apollo 14 mission, used color film. Color frames are now being shown.
[7:50] The color was used for infrared photography, on photos being show of a grey surface and black sky, why.
[7:50] Fiertek is showing a black and white image called the battleship.
[7:51] He is now showing an image of the Clementine mission.
[7:52] This infrared image shows geometry over the same area of Sinus Medii that the old photos of 4822 did.
[7:53] Fiertek is explaining how false color was added to show the various regions, densities and mineral content.
[7:55] Fiertek is showing his architectural geometric overlays between the Ukert and Triesnecker craters from the Clementine image, over the same area as 4822.
[7:56] Fiertek is showing the rectilinear alignments in the blow ups of Triesnecker.
[7:57] He hasdone CAD programs tto drawn architectural overlays of the Clementine image in order to rectify it with 4822 and there is correspondence.
[7:58] Fiertek is discussing how we know this material is glass.
[7:59] His CAD program took 27 hours to generate the same rectilinear patterns as the analog enhancements.
[8:01] In other words, the computer program is generating perfect replicas of the gridwork which seems to be rectilinear and gridlike to the eye.
[8:02] Hoagland is back at the podium and is changing slide trays- pause.
[8:02] Hoagland is being asked why the astronauts have remained silent about this.
[8:04] Hoagland is reminding the press that the Brookings report warned of the destruction of civilization if we were to find artifacts on the Moon or Mars.
[8:04] Back to the astronauts.
[8:04] He doesn't know why the astronauts have remained silent.
[8:05] Sara McLendon is asking about who constructed these artifacts.
[8:06] Another journalist is wondering why the SETI programme appears to search for extraterrestrial life, yet ignores this data.

Session Close: Thu Mar 21 08:12:40 1996